Sucks being a warrior.

[Baelkar]

Hey fellas.

For a while now, I've been rolling a warrior, which was due to my want and need for in your face action after being a hunter.

Level 60 on my hunter was fun. I had a job. occasional kiting. occasional off tanking, super DPS action.

but as my warrior? things suck.

I had intended on rolling the warrior to be a tank, you know, up in the face of the dragon, pissing it off, holding that aggro, being the hero, go team.

I get to 60, right? and head to outland, yay, join my first instance group, its got like a priest, and a mage, hey guys, whats up, need me to tank?
"No."

... wait, what?

"Druid tanks better, heck if we can get a hunter with a bear, itll probably tank better."

Oh the irony.

Well. We did get a druid tank, and Druid was all hey guys, whats up, need some DPS?
"No"

Mr cat form spec druid sitting there with his horribly high amount of armor for someone not specced for the subject or job ends up taking my posistion on the roster.

So he ends up tanking BETTER than I could have, Cause he has a resourceful AoE taunt. AND he gives everybody a huge crit buff. Im just, along for the ride, smacking things. You know, doin all that.

I get out of the instance and go respec plate rogue [DW Fury] And change my attitude, I can still whump things, right? just dont have to get the tar beat from me. Well, we have a rogue in a group after that, and he overshadows my DPS by a WIIIIDE margin.

My question is WTH is a warrior good for anymore? If we arent the prefered tank and arent the prefered dps is there any spot left for us?

admit it, over the past few patches we've been nerfed to sh*t. Our end talents are lack luster, Our solo'ing leveling sucks. We cant hold our own in pvp without the support of a pocket healer. Our dps isnt great by far, and the new rage generation isnt bad, but niether was the old one.

[Isuiln Fellblade]

Hah. Warriors are still much better at tanking in most situations than Feral Druids. Trust me, I have a 60 warrior and a 53 Feral Druid. With Revenge, Disarm, Shield Block, and Shield Wall, you defensive stance has abilities that blow the Feral Druid out of the water. The only real advantage Feral Druid has is that they can still maintain a high DPS while tanking.

Oh, and Fury Warriors are EXTREMELY gear dependent.... don't expect to head out with green/blue weapons and outdamage a rogue.

[Galador]

Totally agree. Warriors always have been and will be the best tanks. Druids have some good snap aggro abilities, but warriors > druids in the fights where something a bit bigger than baron stratholme is beating on you.

Same goes for hunters. My wind serpent can break 10k armor with 8k health but can really only keep one mob occupied at a time. Just as further proof of this, I'll compare a couple ramparts runs I was in:

Group 1
Warrior
Paladin
Mage
Rogue
Hunter (me)

Group 2
Hunter (me)
Hunter
Rogue
Druid
Warlock

While in the first group, we ran ramparts 3 times in a row, no issues. For the second group, we moved slowly, had issues with the healer dieing, etc etc.

Yes, druids probably feel a bit overpowered as tanks in the 5-mans now, but wait until something like Zul'Aman becomes the "in" instance.

[Luger]

i feel for u man, warriors are having trouble in pvp and they need some way to heal themselves better, plus feral druids just dont have the skills, they have taunt and armor but no real dodge/parry and none of their items really give defence sorry for spelling, but not to mention i havent seen much warrior or hunter gear, besides from the green and few blues nothing is an upgrade and im in 3/8 gs 3/8 ds and aq40 hsoulders and COD

[Isuiln Fellblade]

Feral druids, I will say, do make good tanks. We can wrack up ridiculous amounts of armor, and since we don't have defensive stance or the need to reduce DPS to get better tanking abilities (we're in the same bear armor whether DPSing or tanking, whereas warrior must switch to shield), our aggro over time can really get up there, while doing significant damage.

Yet it's the utility Feral Druids really lack as tanks... Sunder Armor, Revenge, Battle Shout, Disarm, Shield Block, Shield Wall, stance dancing to overcome fears, and many other abilities that a warrior has, we lack. Paladins are the same way. Warriors are meant to be, and always will truly be, the tanks of World of Warcraft.

[Feiren-Zenedar]

Beginning to doubt the validity of that statement having just watched my mates prot pala tank properly ...freaking insane doing a 5 man where our main tank and our main healer (had a feral druid too who when it got really messy could heal but mostly justs dps and innervated) were the same person our dps output was incredible and we had very little trouble with agro management. even with me nuking like a mofo something plenty of t3 tanks have trouble doing :P

[Baelkar]

Originally Posted by Isuiln Fellblade

Feral druids, I will say, do make good tanks. We can wrack up ridiculous amounts of armor, and since we don't have defensive stance or the need to reduce DPS to get better tanking abilities (we're in the same bear armor whether DPSing or tanking, whereas warrior must switch to shield), our aggro over time can really get up there, while doing significant damage.

Yet it's the utility Feral Druids really lack as tanks... Sunder Armor, Revenge, Battle Shout, Disarm, Shield Block, Shield Wall, stance dancing to overcome fears, and many other abilities that a warrior has, we lack. Paladins are the same way. Warriors are meant to be, and always will truly be, the tanks of World of Warcraft.

I hear you man, but arent buying it. sure, we have alot of stuff that makes us good at our job, but there are a couple of things that make us not likable, and that is our job as super tanks.

if things get messy we cant DI anyone

if things get messy we cant pop out of tank mode and battle rez our healers.

sit us in front of a mob and sure, we can hold aggro on it, and make it a bit more squishy, but its not neccesary with the ungodly amount of damage some classes can do.

and you know, heck, even my pet as a hunter lately has been able to HOLD AGGRO better than some warriors.

warriors, in general, are in bad need of a buff. just a regen buff or something. better itemization, anything.

[Isuiln Fellblade]

DI does not make up for a paladin's lack of tanking. It just means when things go wrong, which they do far more with a pally tank, they can assist in wipe recovery... woohoo.

A druid cannot, in most situations, BRez while tanking. Especially if you're fighting a boss. The moment the druid pops out of bear, he's probably gonna die, because he just went down to a tiny fraction of his previous armor and half the health he had before. May as well be a squishie at that point.

Tanking really is an art, and it actually relies a lot on the intelligence of your party members. I was tanking Ramparts the other day on my 60 warrior. I was having one HELL of a time with tanking the trash, because I was trying to tank multiple mobs, and often the 2 hunters and mage were ALL on different targets, and all going balls to the wall DPS. There was no way in hell I could keep aggro. My brother was having similar problems on his warrior tanking Ramparts, same deal. Yet on the bosses, I wasn't losing aggro. Ever. So if your party is focusing on one mob, you can almost always stay ahead on aggro. It's on trash that tanking gets the most difficult.

[Feiren-Zenedar]

I never used the have trouble even multi target tanking in 5 mans(im Fury spec incidentally not prot) but since the changes to rage which as i see it equate to a buff for MS warriors and nerf to every other kind its been increasingly hard to maintain enough rage even when getting hit to successfully hold the agro on multiple mobs. on my druid on the other hand no such problems. stuns and taunts are mostly what keep em on you not actual threat so much.
The problem i think for warriors is they are and always have been extreamly gear dependent. Full t2/3 tanks don't have trouble getting and holding agro but put the same guy behind a t0 tank with the same spec and he wont hold agro for shit. The problems warriors are having are a prime example of how just because those with the very very best equips were too good and needed nerfs to bring them back inline it has a knock on effect to those of us less equipped same goes for DPS output at that : /

[wulfsblood]

In my experience, most of the Warriors I know have gone DPS spec for PVP/Soloing. I've had to do a few runs with Druid/Pally tanks or even Hunter pets. In fact me and another BM hunter tanked the whole of Hellfire Ramparts one time, and my pet's routinely tanked bosses.