Sunfury Bow of the Phoenix or Wolfslayer Sniper Rifle

[bifur]

Having a BM-build and only using the steady/auto rotation I started thinking about this and became more and more unsure about it..

I´m a dwarf and got the bow this week..

And I really dont want to need on the rifle if someone else can get better us out of it :wink:

If i remember correctly the actual damage of the weapon doesnt matter for steady shot, only for white damage.
The bow does ofc do more white damage, but I wont be able to pump out so many steady shots/minute..

Roughly, what percentage of ones damage comes from steady and what from auto?

Maybe there even is someone here who already have compared the two?

Links to the weapons:
Rifle: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28581
Bow: http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28772

My armory page: http://armory.wow-europe.com/charact...=Vashj&n=Bifur

[muzulub]

i compared the two in Cheeky's spreadsheet just this morning. As BM i will get 21 dps more with the gun.
For MM or surv, i don't know.

[broitman]

This was discussed here: http://forums.tkasomething.com/viewt...ght=wolfslayer

You might be able to grab some info there.
I have both and since I find myself using drums of battle and other haste effects, I find it better to use the sunfury.

[bifur]

Originally Posted by muzulub

i compared the two in Cheeky's spreadsheet just this morning. As BM i will get 21 dps more with the gun.
For MM or surv, i don't know.

:shock: I just used my last accurascope on the bow...

Was those 21 dps with the crafted ammo?

[Machael]

Originally Posted by muzulub

i compared the two in Cheeky's spreadsheet just this morning. As BM i will get 21 dps more with the gun.
For MM or surv, i don't know.

I noticed a significant increase on the spreadsheet as well for the gun. I almost think it has to be a bug somehow. I just don't see how it could be better than Sunfury by that large of a margin.

In a perfect lag free world perhaps, but with rapid fire and other haste affecting items, I just don't see this being accurate.

I do love the spreadsheet however!

[muzulub]

Originally Posted by bifur

:shock: I just used my last accurascope on the bow...

Was those 21 dps with the crafted ammo?

no, it was the 37 dps ammo/arrows for both.

[bifur]

Originally Posted by Machael

I noticed a significant increase on the spreadsheet as well for the gun. I almost think it has to be a bug somehow. I just don't see how it could be better than Sunfury by that large of a margin.

I was thinking the same... With a weapon speed of 2.7 base and rapid fire you get down below 1.5 and that is a bad thing for the steady/auto rotation isnt it?
(Havent really understood the cooldown mechanisms here..)
If Imp.AotH procs during that time it would go even lower..

Well, anyways thx for the input. If I ever get that rifle I´ll go compare them at dr Boom and let you know

[Cheeky]

Some simple math. We will assume a 1800 RAP Hunter and ignore crits (they increase by the same ratio, and aren't important for comparisons, same for most other talents)

Auto Shot Damage (+12 damage scope, 37 DPS Ammo):
Sunfury - 241.5 + 12 + 372.86 + 107.3 = 733.6
Wolfslayer - 213.5 + 12 + 347.14 + 99.9 = 672.54

Steady Shot Damage:
Sunfury - 150 + 233.24 + 360 = 743.24
Wolfslayer - 150 + 221.48 + 360 = 731.48

Damage in cycle:
Sunfury - 733.6 + 743.24 = 1476.84 / 2.9 = 509.26 DPS
Wolfslayer - 672.54 + 731.48 = 1404.02 / 2.7 = 520.01 DPS

Until you start clipping, all haste effects cancel out as well, and the ratio of +2.13% more DPS with the Wolfslayer holds true. As your RAP increases this becomes a greater and greater ratio.

In fact, we can solve for the equilibrium point pretty easily:
(241.5 + 12 + 107.3 + .2071*RAP + 150 + 233.24 + .2*RAP)/2.9 = (213.5 + 12 + .1929*RAP + 99.9 + 150 + 221.48 + .2*RAP)/2.7

(744.04 + .407*RAP)/2.9 = (696.88 + .3929*RAP)/2.7
256.57 + .1404*RAP = 258.10 + .1455*RAP
.1404*RAP = 1.53 + .1455*RAP
.0051RAP = -1.53
RAP = -300

So, this is saying for any positive RAP total, the Wolfslayer is a better weapon in a 1:1 rotation. This can also be seen by looking at the numbers with a 0 RAP total:
(241.5 + 12 +107.3 + 150 + 233.24)/2.9 = 256.57 DPS for Sunfury
(213.5 + 12 + 99.9 + 150 + 221.48)/2.7 = 258.10 for Wolfslayer, or 0.6% better.

Folks, as was true in 1.X of WoW, weapon speed >> weapon DPS, in most cases.

In order for the Wolfslayer to clip you need to get the autoshot time below 1.5s, and to do that requires 80% haste effects. But, anything over 93% haste also causes the Sunfury to have the same problem. For that narrow 13% range the Sunfury will do more DPS, but for everything else you are better off with a Wolfslayer.

Note: If you are routinely running 2 specials every other auto, you may find the same things to be true, as the only other special that is influenced by weapon DPS is Multi-Shot. I leave those equations as an exercise to the reader (or you could use my spreadsheet, which solves them all for you.)

This kind of anaylsis is why I ditched my Karazhan weapon for a Don Santos (that and the fact that the proc is incredible in any fight over 10-12 seconds.)

[Machael]

I do understand the theory, but if that holds true, why would the difference between wolfslayer and steelhawk be 34DPS on the spreadsheet?

WSR 2.7
Steelhawk 2.8

This with only a steady/auto rotation.

If you can't tell, I'm really looking for a reason to not use a gun with a night elf LOL.

Not to mention I'm still not revered with HH for the ammo.

[Cheeky]

Originally Posted by Machael

I do understand the theory, but if that holds true, why would the difference between wolfslayer and steelhawk be 34DPS on the spreadsheet?

WSR 2.7
Steelhawk 2.8

This with only a steady/auto rotation.

If you can't tell, I'm really looking for a reason to not use a gun with a night elf LOL.

Not to mention I'm still not revered with HH for the ammo.

Perform the same calculations as I did, but substitute in your RAP and use the 2.8 speed and DPS for the Steelhawk. You'll find for high levels of RAP even a 0.1s second speed difference becomes a big deal to DPS.